TÁR (Field, 2022)

[Aurelius]

No, but your attempt at analysis is not based in what is on screen, and the only reason you are trying to create a narrative out of these scenes in Lydia's childhood home (and out of thin air, I must say) is for you to be able to add a negative point to the film.

[affy18]

No, but your attempt at analysis is not based in what is on screen, and the only reason you are trying to create a narrative out of these scenes in Lydia's childhood home (and out of thin air, I must say) is for you to be able to add a negative point to the film.

It's not out of thin air and it IS based on what is on screen, though? Others have interpreted Lydia's brother as having an accent that sounds either working class or southern. As for the house, it is so nondescript in the scene that it could easily be from a working class family. The house in say, Roseanne was also two-story high, and that family classifies as working class.

[Aurelius]

By 'others' you mean The Oscar Expert, an Oscar pundit with the film analysis capabilities of a lamp post.

And was Roseanne's family poor?

[affy18]

By 'others' you mean The Oscar Expert, an Oscar pundit with the film analysis capabilities of a lamp post.

And was Roseanne's family poor?

I also meant Critix, who is a New Yorker and even said that the brother didn't even sound New Yorker but broadly working class, but that wouldn't fit into your perception that the family is from Staten Island.

Roseanne's family was very much working class. The show is actually known for that. Not abject poverty, but pretty humble and not educated enough to be considered middle class?

[GeorgeEastman]

If that house is deemed "poor" by American standards I sure would love to know what words would be used some to describe some of the places I've seen depicted in the US...

[Aurelius]

Critix also corrected you about the 'Southern accent' .

But how does working class fit into 'rags to riches' for you? 'Working class' does not necessarily equal 'poor'. You keep trying to fault this film for portraying a struggle from poverty to Lydia's current position, but that is not the point of those scenes. The very point is that Lydia Tár is an act to hide her less than exalted beginnings, but nowhere does the film imply that it was a struggle for her to get to her current position. In fact, it was her exceptional talent that got her there.

You're simply ascribing a narrative to the film that isn't there, and the only thing you base this on is a (misplaced) accent.

[affy18]

Critix also corrected you about the 'Southern accent' .

But how does working class fit into 'rags to riches' for you? 'Working class' does not necessarily equal 'poor'. You keep trying to fault this film for portraying a struggle from poverty to Lydia's current position, but that is not the point of those scenes. The very point is that Lydia Tár is an act to hide her less than exalted beginnings, but nowhere does the film imply that it was a struggle for her to get to her current position. In fact, it was her exceptional talent that got her there.

You're simply ascribing a narrative to the film that isn't there, and the only thing you base this on is a (misplaced) accent.

I wouldn't personally use rags-to-riches so literally in every case, though? Working class to classical music elite rich are still two considerable extremes. I didn't say Lydia and her family were living-on-the-streets, eating-out-of-the-garbage-can poor, but pretty humble and probably not highly educated. I think that could still classify as rags-to-riches and the fact that Lydia had to alter her identity to get to that position to me kind of explicitly says it all about her background. It is not unheard of that middle class families can afford classic music tutoring and lessons, even afford to buy classic music instruments? So someone who comes from that background wouldn't have to hide/alter their identity in the way Lydia does.

And I don't know if it's all talent regarding her success. I don't think it is and the film explicitly shows this: the scene in which Sharon throws at Lydia's face that when she arrived at the Berlin Philharmonic as a guest conductor and was looking for a permanent position, she asked her about the politics, the moves and how they could swing it. So if it wasn't a struggle, it was definitely an effort, an intellectual one (that included lies and manipulation) outside of the sphere of mere talent.

[Aurelius]

And all of that from two throwaway lines in a non-descript accent. Amazing.

[affy18]

And all of that from two throwaway lines in a non-descript accent. Amazing.

[lazarus]

Critix also corrected you about the 'Southern accent' .

But how does working class fit into 'rags to riches' for you? 'Working class' does not necessarily equal 'poor'. You keep trying to fault this film for portraying a struggle from poverty to Lydia's current position, but that is not the point of those scenes. The very point is that Lydia Tár is an act to hide her less than exalted beginnings, but nowhere does the film imply that it was a struggle for her to get to her current position. In fact, it was her exceptional talent that got her there.

You're simply ascribing a narrative to the film that isn't there, and the only thing you base this on is a (misplaced) accent.

I don't know what's more sad, the relentless grasping for straws in bashing this film, or treating EEAAO as if it's some unparalleled work of genius in the other thread.