2022 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Ballot

[lazarus]

Not only do they make bad picks but they put in non rock artists. Fuck these guys!

Maybe be more mad about shitty, unimportant rock acts like Bon Jovi getting into the Hall than you are about being so rigid about a term that has pretty much always been nebulous.

I mean, the picks are largely pretty good for an exclusive club. Some classes are stronger than others. The only really non-rock artists they've put in is Dolly Parton, who has made no rock adjacent records but is essential in that her influence in future first-ballot inductees is indelible.

Rock and Roll -> Soul & R&B -> Funk -> Disco and Dance -> Rap & Hip-Hop.

All of these genres are borne out of rock and roll and is a living thread of the evolution of what is a primarily Black genre in its core.

^^^ What Eduardo said.

[LeonardShelby]

The 'non-rock artists should not be in the RRHOF' argument is one of the worst arguments in the history of arguments.

[Ghost Peppa Salsa]

The 'non-rock artists should not be in the RRHOF' argument is one of the worst arguments in the history of arguments.

Why? It's called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I wouldn't mind an organization that awards bands that probably wouldn't quite make a general music hall of fame if they have to compete with people like Dolly, but might make a specific rock one. Just change the name to the music hall of fame then if that's what they want to be.

[Eduardo Zuckerberg]

Why? It's called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Yeah and 99% of artists inducted are rock and roll artists.

[ldw]

PJ Harvey, Kate Bush, Tracy Chapman, and Bjork not being in while Eminem is shows what a fucked up shitshow the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is.

[Eduardo Zuckerberg]

Be real. Those women definitely deserve to get in to varying degrees but Eminem is a legitimate first ballot HoFer, despite what you think of him. Pick a better target.

Can't wait to see Kate finally inducted next year. I think Bjork will be second most likely in your list. I think PJ probably gets in after Alanis and Fiona, realistically.

[Ghost Peppa Salsa]

Yeah and 99% of artists inducted are rock and roll artists.

Personally I do not consider Dolly, Eminem, Richie, Simon, King, Jay-Z, Notorious BIG, or Whitney just from the last few years to be "rock" artists

I feel the pop music hall of fame would be a better name at this point allowing them to capture any popular radio friendly genre.

With that in mind I looked at the list of previous inductees and they've been doing this longer than I thought. So I guess they always might have just meant Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to just mean any popular music. That also may explain the insanity of Iron Maiden not being in if it was never meant that way. In my mind it felt like a place where rock bands (and rock solo artists) get their own little HOF, though. Like they put in Cheap Trick who probably is less likely to be called a HOF when including all genres, but if it's just clearcut rock artists... sure? Likewise the Smashing Pumpkins are not in and may not get in if they're going to be competing with people like Mariah going forward, maybe they don't have the best resume of all time but I still think if it was rock artists only they are a memorable enough band to get in.

[ldw]

Be real. Those women definitely deserve to get in to varying degrees but Eminem is a legitimate first ballot HoFer, despite what you think of him. Pick a better target.

Can't wait to see Kate finally inducted next year. I think Bjork will be second most likely in your list. I think PJ probably gets in after Alanis and Fiona, realistically.

Varying degrees? All of them deserve to be in there before Eminem. Each of those women has recorded multiple albums far better than anything Eminem has put out. But of course we are talking about the same Rock and Roll Hall of Fame who decided Joni Mitchell was not a first ballot hall of famer.

[The Dark Poet]

Every year, someone on the internet makes that same argument that the R&R Hall of Fame should ONLY be populated by those who are CLEARLY defined as rock and roll.

It's stupid, myopic, ignorant and elitist, and shows very little understanding of how one genre of music can impact several others.

Let's take one of the 2022 nominees that didn't get inducted (but certainly will eventually), A Tribe Called Quest. Undeniably one of the most influential music acts of all time, and pioneers of modern hip hop. You'd not have a lot of contemporary rap and hip-hop artists without their work in the 1990s. Yet, one of their biggest songs (you could argue THE biggest of their career) is "Can I Kick It?"...which is famous for sampling Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side", who was inducted into the Hall of Fame twice. And they've subsequently influenced many artists themselves, some of them not even in the genres of rap or hip hop, but in others entirely. Music is not linear, not even close.

So what if we allow a wide range of artists into this Hall of Fame? None of these nominees is undeserving of attention (since they're all very influential in their own right), and it increases the diversity of the kinds of inductees. Historically, when has stringent exclusivity EVER been positive?

Also, absolutely NO ONE is more bad-ass and rock 'n' roll than Dolly Parton

[Eduardo Zuckerberg]

Varying degrees? All of them deserve to be in there before Eminem. Each of those women has recorded multiple albums far better than anything Eminem has put out. But of course we are talking about the same Rock and Roll Hall of Fame who decided Joni Mitchell was not a first ballot hall of famer.

I agree that Joni should have been first ballot but lol I'm not even a fan of Eminem but he is the perfect storm of insanely popular, generation defining, successful, influential and critically acclaimed. He legitimately moved the needle of the biggest subgenre of rock and roll in the past 25 years. Tracy Chapman's contribution in the grand scheme of things seems minuscule in comparison. Even if she is a great artist in her own right.

Personally I do not consider Dolly, Eminem, Richie, Simon, King, Jay-Z, Notorious BIG, or Whitney just from the last few years to be "rock" artists

I feel the pop music hall of fame would be a better name at this point allowing them to capture any popular radio friendly genre.

With that in mind I looked at the list of previous inductees and they've been doing this longer than I thought. So I guess they always might have just meant Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to just mean any popular music. That also may explain the insanity of Iron Maiden not being in if it was never meant that way. In my mind it felt like a place where rock bands (and rock solo artists) get their own little HOF, though. Like they put in Cheap Trick who probably is less likely to be called a HOF when including all genres, but if it's just clearcut rock artists... sure? Likewise the Smashing Pumpkins are not in and may not get in if they're going to be competing with people like Mariah going forward, maybe they don't have the best resume of all time but I still think if it was rock artists only they are a memorable enough band to get in.

Rock and Roll comprises of Hip-hop and R&B as subgenres. A lot of pop also derived from Rock and Roll. Take a fucking history lesson It's not just the "rock" Hall of Fame. Otherwise this would mostly just be white men, which it already is but would even be less so if you're view of rock and roll is strictly white subgrenres. But it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and these artists all descended from Rock and Roll tradition (give or take Dolly who is Country, but whose influence looms large on Female singer-songwriters) and continue being at the forefront of the Black subgenres of Rock and Roll.

[Aurelius]

I mean, the picks are largely pretty good for an exclusive club. Some classes are stronger than others. The only really non-rock artists they've put in is Dolly Parton, who has made no rock adjacent records but is essential in that her influence in future first-ballot inductees is indelible.

Rock and Roll -> Soul & R&B -> Funk -> Disco and Dance -> Rap & Hip-Hop.

All of these genres are borne out of rock and roll and is a living thread of the evolution of what is a primarily Black genre in its core.

I don't care which genres are inducted into the Hall of Fame, but I have to protest the idea that Soul and R&B derive from Rock n'Roll. The HOF itself states that soul is "music that arose out of the black experience in America through the transmutation of gospel and rhythm & blues into a form of funky, secular testifying". Soul derives from Rhythm & Blues, which in itself derives from genres like jazz, blues, and gospel. And Rock 'n Roll also derives from Rhythm & Blues. Big rock bands (notably all of them white) like the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin are heavily influenced by Blues pioneers like John Lee Hooker and Muddy Waters. Black music is the origin of most genres of popular music.

[Eduardo Zuckerberg]

Fair enough. I concede all those points and obviously consider Blues to be a forerunner of Rock and Roll. I was mostly using Soul and R&B as the term for 60s Black Rock and Roll, where those really flourished.

[Ben7]

concerning Joni Mitchell/Eminem, etc..; honestly, it does say something about an artist’s impact when they get in on the first ballot, but it’s not something I’m all that worried about when you look at others whom had to wait to get in: Queen, The Grateful Dead, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith all got in on their second ballot, it took Black Sabbath like 8 ballots to get in..

Smashing Pumpkins will get in, though I’m surprised they’ve never been nominated yet, I kind of feel like they’re the last of the huge early 90s rock/alternative bands still waiting. No Doubt also comes to mind as a band that will get in eventually.

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some news:

It just came out last night that Carly Simon will miss the ceremony.

Both of Simon’s sisters died last week: her sister (opera singer) Joanna Simon died of thyroid cancer on Wednesday and her sister (Broadway composer) Lucy Simon died of breast cancer on Thursday. Simon will miss the ceremony to mourn the loss of her sisters.

Alanis Morissette and Olivia Rodrigo will be performing “You’re So Vain” in her place.

By the way, Alanis was mentioned earlier in this thread, this will be her first appearance ever at a RRHOF ceremony. I hope this puts her on their radar; she’s been eligible for induction for seven years now..

[Ben7]

This news just announced; this also confirms that Dolly Parton will attend and perform:

[theredboy]

Yeah, I just came here to post that Dolly is apparently making a whole rock album to assuage her guilt over being inducted.

As for the discussion earlier, I understand why some people would side-eye certain inductions. But saying Carole King and Carly Simon don’t belong? Truly? I’d put money on them being the two most-played women on throwback rock radio stations like The Bridge on XM, give or take (solo) Stevie Nicks.

[Eduardo Zuckerberg]

I'm here for Dolly unleashing her inner Brenda Lee!

2/3 of Trio are now inducted after Dolly and the Queen of Rock and Roll, Linda Ronstadt. Wonder if Emmylou will ever complete the trifecta? But her mentor Gram has to get in first!

[Ben7]

Janet Jackson will induct Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis:

https://www.startribune.com/rock-rol...kson/600219020

Other artists announced as taking part in the ceremony: P!nk, Alice Cooper, Miley Cyrus, Lenny Kravitz, Brandi Carlisle, and Sheryl Crow.

Alanis Morissette and Olivia Rodrigo previously announced for the Carly Simon tribute.


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It has not been announced who will present whom, but a couple connections between those announced names and the inductees:

- Miley Cyrus is Dolly Parton’s Goddaughter and has taken part in various Dolly Parton tributes.

- Brandi Carlile has also taken part in various Dolly Parton tributes, and performed with Parton this past summer at the Newport Folk Festival.

I’m guessing Miley Cyrus inducts Dolly, and Brandi Carlile is involved in the induction somehow.


- Alice Cooper has toured with Judas Priest and previously inducted them into a heavy metal related hall of fame. Cooper has also taken part in charity events organized by Judas Priest lead vocalist Rob Halford.

- Lenny Kravitz has produced material for Lionel Richie, and they’ve been photographed many times; it appears that they’re friends.

- P!nk and Eminem have made four songs together, and P!nk has been very public about her admiration for Eminem; she has said that she wrote him a love letter asking for a collaboration and later said of Eminem that he is "one of the most poetic, ballsy, and hilarious people this industry has ever seen.”

[Ben7]

just took my seat at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony (I literally hurried out of AFI Fest to get here on time lol) :



They’ve been secretive about who’s inducting who but we have a few names:

Bruce Springsteen inducting Jimmy Iovine
Janet Jackson inducting Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis
John Mellencamp inducting Allen Grubman

The one time I’ve attended this ceremony in the past there were quite a few intermissions and down moments between inductions, so I’ll try and update this post as often as I can throughout if we really get all those intermissions again.

Btw, Dolly said her husband is “a real rock and roll freak” … so perhaps we get a rare sighting of him at this ceremony? I’d say it’s unlikely tbh

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-Robert Downey Jr inducting Duran Duran to start the show. Video package includes Drew Barrymore, Naomi Campbell, and Gwen Stefani.

-Duran Duran performed Girls on Film, Hungry Like The Wolf, and Ordinary World. Former members Warren Cuccurullo and Andy Taylor didn’t attend (Taylor has cancer and Simon Le Bon read a letter from him).

-The theater erupts as Janet Jackson walks out

-Janet Jackson while inducting Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis: “I’m not the only artist they’ve produced, but I’m their favorite.”

-Sheryl Crow inducts Pat Benatar. video package features Mariah Carey and Taylor Momsen.

-Pat Benatar performs “All Fired Up,” “Love is a Battlefield,” and “Heartbreaker”

-Gwen Stefani and Mary J.Blige both get huge reactions when they’re shown in the audience (Jimmy Iovine shouted them out in his speech).

-Alice Cooper inducts Judas Priest; Dave Grohl gets huge applause when cameras show him sitting at the Judas Priest table. video package features Ozzy Osborne, Tom Morello, and Ian Scott.

-Judas Priest performs “You’ve Got Another Thing Coming,” “Breaking The Law,” and “Living After Midnight”

-Rob Halford gave a lovely speech that began with “I’m the gay guy in the band,” and spoke about how inclusive heavy metal is

-Carly Simon inducted by Sarah Bareilles. Simon didn’t attend, tribute featured Sarah Bareilles performing “Nobody Does It Better” and Olivia Rodrigo performing “You’re So Vain” No Alanis Morissette, despite reports she’d be performing with Rodrigo.

-Allen Grubman inducted by John Mellencamp. video package featured Mariah Carey, Sting, and Bruce Springsteen.

-John Mellencamp gets standing ovation for shouting out Jewish people and encourages artists to speak out against antisemitism.

-Lenny Kravitz inducts Lionel Richie

-Lionel Richie performs “Hello,” “Easy (Like Sunday Morning)” with Dave Grohl, and “All Night Long”

-Lionel Richie: “I will not walk off this stage without acknowledging The Commodores”

-The Edge inducts Eurythmics

-Eurythmics video package featured St Vincent and Cate Blanchett

-Eurythmics performed “Would I Lie To You?” “Missionary Man,” and “Sweet Dreams (Are Made of These)”

-btw Annie Lennox is a goddess. She owned that stage. Performance of the night so far.

-Annie Lennox gets the biggest ovation of the night so far

-Dr. Dre inducts Eminem

-Eminem performs My Name Is, Rap God, Sing For The Moment (with Steven Tyler), Stan (with Ed Sheeran), and I’m Not Afraid.

-Eminem had a longer performance than anyone else so far

—Pink inducting Dolly Parton (said she’s filling in for someone who had to pull out, most likely Miley Cyrus) Dolly Parton video package featured Miley Cyrus and Kacey Musgraves.

-Dolly tribute included “Coat of Many Colors,” sung by Pink and Brandi Carlile, “9 to 5,” sung by Sheryl Crow and Zac Brown, then Dolly came out to debut her new song “Rockin’” and it closed with “Jolene” performed by Dolly, Pink, Pat Benatar, Annie Lennox, Sheryl Crow, Rob Halford, Simon Le Bon, Zac Brown, and Dave Stewart.

-the show closed with Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, and Zac Brown performing a tribute to Jerry Lee Lewis.

[The Dark Poet]

Fascinating, thank you for the insights and insider tea

[survivorandlostfan20]

It didn’t really hit me until now but that’s kind of a really big name class. Usually there is a couple lower tiered but every single one of those is A-list.