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    Quote Originally Posted by Protheus View Post
    Yeah, misogyny is a real thing? Not sure why it doesnít make sense.

    The motivation in the original Scream clearly had sexist undertones. Besides, itís not like Billy cared about Sidney at all as a girlfriend. I think trying to murder her shows that way more than cheating on her?

    Besides, I understand that Billy only started to date Sidney AFTER he killed her mother, as part of his uncontrollable anger. The homewrecker woman that he killed had a daughter and he wasnít satisfied in killing just her as revenge, he wanted to put out his mommyís boy anger for what happened to him into everyone else and in the daughter of the woman in particular.

    So he started to date Sidney because he wanted to fuck her (a control game where he asserts his dominance and control of his life to himself in his mind) while getting this sick pleasure of sleeping with the daughter of the woman he murdered without her knowing what he did - which is something mind torture that that these psychos take pleasure on as their main source of personal satisfaction.

    Sidney wouldnít have sex with him though, so he kept dating her until she did. When he started killing people he probably had already thought he was never sleeping with her so it didnít matter much to him whether he slept with her or killed her first.

    In the meantime, itís not out of this world that he was seeing someone else at all. Maybe he even cared about (or loved?) Cristina in a way that he didnít for Sidney. Maybe Cristina was his ACTUAL girlfriend in the sense he planned to live alongside her and constitute a family with her after he concluded his murder spree.

    I mean, Cristina was not a target in the original Scream like Sidney (Billy girlfriend), Tatum (Stu girlfriend) or Casey Becker (Stu ex-girlfriend). So that is potential evidence that Billy wanted to keep her for a reason. Maybe she even knew what Billy was doing and loved him because sheís a psychopath herself.

    Which is why thereís a wonderful door to make Cristina appear in Scream VII or in Scream VIII trying to reconnect with Sam and Tara just for her in the end to turn out as the killer. BANG! And itís revealed that there were three killers in the original Scream all along, but Cristina was more supervising the thing from distance.

    If Scream 5 mirrors Scream 1 and Scream 6 mirrors Scream 2, itís inevitable that future killers will appear on Sam family line since in Scream 3 it was Sidneyís half-brother and in Scream 4 it was Sidneyís cousin. If not a family member, maybe Sam herself! That would be terrible messaging of mental health after she was portrayed as someone who carries a huge amount of past childhood snd teenage trauma though. So I think itís more likely that Cristina will be a killer in a future movie. She also DOES have motives to kill both Sidney and Gale as revenge for taking out Billy. Tara too for being the child she had with another man and never loved.

    And they can play this well with Sam if Cristina tries to convince her to join her side and become a murderer like her biological FATHER AND MOTHER. They can put in some villain speech about being in her blood and that itís only her inevitable fate to repeat the same stuff that both her parents did as if it was inescapable trend and then in the last moment Sam kills her mother, saves everyone and finally overcomes her visions and traumas once and for all by establishing that sheís never repeating what her family did because sheís not like them.

    Ughhh it would be such a great ending for this group of characters storyline. Great character arc conclusion for SAM. If Scream 7 is supposed to be the last one with them, I hope they do it!
    I get that, I'm just still annoyed that they made Sam, Billy's daughter. I think that there is a bit too much teen Billy idolization in these current films, when we find out that it was actually Roman who masterminded the entire thing. It's a bit weird for me, it's like Scream 3 never existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melancholy View Post
    I get that, I'm just still annoyed that they made Sam, Billy's daughter. I think that there is a bit too much teen Billy idolization in these current films, when we find out that it was actually Roman who masterminded the entire thing. It's a bit weird for me, it's like Scream 3 never existed.
    This is a retcon I would fully support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuna View Post
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    Angelina was supposed to be the second killer in the third one. Maybe they'll bring Emily Mortimer back in the next one and reveal she was the mastermind behind the mastermind.

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    Why anyone would want to retcon Parker Posey's performance, Gale's iconic bangs (an important part of her journey!), a Carrie Fisher cameo, and 100% Cotton... Oh, and a perfect final shot, is beyond me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SashaUnbothered View Post
    As for Jennifer Jolie, she's dead. She has been replaced with Elizabeth Banks in Stab movies. It's been confirmed in Scream 5 if I remember correctly.
    If you were Jennifer Jolie and survived being stabbed/possibly shot by accident (which I'm not arguing happened), would you return to a slasher franchise that inspired it? Seriously. I don't think everyone would, given the circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melancholy View Post
    I get that, I'm just still annoyed that they made Sam, Billy's daughter. I think that there is a bit too much teen Billy idolization in these current films, when we find out that it was actually Roman who masterminded the entire thing. It's a bit weird for me, it's like Scream 3 never existed.
    Did he though? My impression from Scream 3 was that he simply did gossip about Maureen to Billy and Billy decided to kill her by himself.

    Maybe Roman added some fuel to the fire that he already saw it existed but thatís it. I donít see him as a mastermind of anything when he was just gossiping around.

    Like, how he would even KNOW that Billy would kill anyone? Did he approach him and said: ďHey, that woman is the reason your mom left you, why donít you kill her?Ē

    No one has a way to predict this. You donít tell people they got fucked over something expecting they will turn into serial killers because of this.

    If anything, Billy snapped himself and Roman was inspired by him. At least thatís how I see it. Roman only wanted to build his importance in front of Sidney with this ďmastermindĒ narrative.



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    Melissa Barrera said in an interview she wants Salma Hayek to play her mom in the next one.

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    Anyway, my rank of killers - in spoilers because includes Scream VI, don’t open if you didn’t watch it - is:

    1. Jill Roberts (Scream 4)
    2. Billy Loomis (Scream)
    3. Nancy Loomis/Debbie Salt (Scream 2)
    4. Mickey Altieri (Scream 2)
    5. Stu Macher (Scream)
    6. Amber Freeman (Scream 5)
    7. Richie Kirsh (Scream 5)
    8. Roman Bridger (Scream 3)
    9. Detective Bailey (Scream 6)
    10. Charlie Walker (Scream 4)
    11. Quinn Bailey (Scream 6)
    12. Ethan?? Bailey (Scream 6)

    Scream 6 killers were the blandest as killers, they got completely different personalities after the reveal - at least Quinn and Ethan. I was enjoying their characters before they reveal, I though they were actually funny, unlike some other past comedic sidekicks.

    Jill is easily the best of all. Not only she was the closest to get away with it, her motivation was also so real and ahead of its time. People DO anything to be noticed these days, just take a look at the rise of instagram influencers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Protheus View Post
    Anyway, my rank of killers - in spoilers because includes Scream VI, don’t open if you didn’t watch it - is:

    1. Jill Roberts (Scream 4)
    2. Billy Loomis (Scream)
    3. Nancy Loomis/Debbie Salt (Scream 2)
    4. Mickey Altieri (Scream 2)
    5. Stu Macher (Scream)
    6. Amber Freeman (Scream 5)
    7. Richie Kirsh (Scream 5)
    8. Roman Bridger (Scream 3)
    9. Detective Bailey (Scream 6)
    10. Charlie Walker (Scream 4)
    11. Quinn Bailey (Scream 6)
    12. Ethan?? Bailey (Scream 6)

    Scream 6 killers were the blandest as killers, they got completely different personalities after the reveal - at least Quinn and Ethan. I was enjoying their characters before they reveal, I though they were actually funny, unlike some other past comedic sidekicks.

    Jill is easily the best of all. Not only she was the closest to get away with it, her motivation was also so real and ahead of its time. People DO anything to be noticed these days, just take a look at the rise of instagram influencers.
    Jill Roberts at number 1, I know that's right! Scream 4 arrived at JUST the right time to provide commentary about the desire for followers before it became a more broadly spoken about topic. It's still so relevant now as well.

    Plus Emma Roberts is just excellent in that 3rd act. She EATS

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepatrickk View Post
    Jill Roberts at number 1, I know that's right! Scream 4 arrived at JUST the right time to provide commentary about the desire for followers before it became a more broadly spoken about topic. It's still so relevant now as well.

    Plus Emma Roberts is just excellent in that 3rd act. She EATS
    I kinda wish we had gotten the original 4-5-6 trilogy that was planned back then, with Jill surviving the 4th movie and then no epilogue, only a scene with a cop screaming there’s still a survivor in the house as a cliffhanger.

    And in then Scream 5 we learn it’s Sidney, who has amnesia and doesn’t remember Jill was a killer. We follow Jill at college, where she’s actually stalked by a real Ghostface killer, having to fully endure with everything that cones along with being the new Sidney like she dreamed of.

    Too bad the studio didn’t allow cliffhanger endings. It would be a nice change to not have every movie story closed in itself.



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    I think Jill is a great Ghostface in theory, I just really don't like Emma Roberts in that role. I know it's an unpopular opinion but I wish they casted literally anyone else. Maybe someone with a more innocent look would have worked better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinesnatch View Post
    If you were Jennifer Jolie and survived being stabbed/possibly shot by accident (which I'm not arguing happened), would you return to a slasher franchise that inspired it? Seriously. I don't think everyone would, given the circumstances.
    You're over thinking this. She's dead.

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    Screentimes for our main six according to Ryan C Showers

    Melissa Barrera - 44:01
    Jenna Ortega - 32:13
    Jasmin Savoy-Brown - 14:58
    Mason Gooding - 14:30
    Courteney Cox - 12:12
    Hayden Panettiere - 9:31

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwa201 View Post
    I think Jill is a great Ghostface in theory, I just really don't like Emma Roberts in that role. I know it's an unpopular opinion but I wish they casted literally anyone else. Maybe someone with a more innocent look would have worked better.
    I agree that her acting was a little iffy. I also think 4 would have been better if Jill survived, but they killed it with the goofy scene in the hospital.

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